Posts by Giles Gray

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Latest UPDATE UK Charity Commission investigation

by Watchtower-Free in

good afternoon,.

i am writing to give you a quick update about our ongoing statutory inquiries into safeguarding and charities linked to jehovah’s witnesses.. as you may know, one of our inquiries is into watch tower bible and tract society of britain.

we opened this inquiry in 2014. watch tower then initiated what turned out to be protracted litigation against us.

Giles Gray

That's fantastic.

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Is confrontational "New Atheism" undermining the cause of atheism?

by EdenOne in

interesting debate between lawrence krauss and greg epstein.. watch the debate on al-jazeera.. what do you think?.

eden.

Giles Gray

EdenOne-" I really am in favor of promoting education. Let education effect people and the inevitable consequence is that in the vast majority of cases, they will conclude for themselves that religious beliefs are ridiculous and will abandon them."

As much as I agree, there is then the problem of "Faith Schools" tainting objective education. Dawkins is very outspoken againt them.

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Is confrontational "New Atheism" undermining the cause of atheism?

by EdenOne in

interesting debate between lawrence krauss and greg epstein.. watch the debate on al-jazeera.. what do you think?.

eden.

Giles Gray

LUHE-"woah, hang on. Dawkins has never advocated murder or violence against believers."

I don't think Kate was making such a claim. I believe the point she was making was that some athiests have used Dawkin's statments as an excuse for their hatred against Muslims.

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Noah's ark once again. I hate beating a dead horse, but.

by James Mixon in

the altitude problem.

mt.

everest today is 29042 feet high and i know some will say it.

Giles Gray

If the sea level rose then so would the atmosphere. Gas settles at the point of equalization of its potential difference.

But I believe it would take up to 5 times the volume of water currently on earth to perch the ark on the summit of Ararat?

As for building the boat... they could have hired the Nephilim....??

Stands to reason considering an elder once told me that Stonehenge was built by the Nephilim who carried the colossal stones hundreds of miles across Wales and England...

...although thinking about it, I was also told once that god made the huge dinosaurs to flatten down the mountains...??

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I came here three years ago for support and to make friends

by KateWild in

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friends

this site is such a great and valuable resource and simon is to be commended for running it for so long.

when i first came i was in such a bad state and really needed support and friendship.

so many posters commented on my threads and showed genuine care some are real life friends, some are facebook friends, some i talk to on the phone and some are forum friends.. i have just realised though that everyone online is not your friend.

Giles Gray

KateWild

I don't wish to be unkind, but maybe the reason why you have lost someone you considered a 'friend' is because of the way you treat people.

On the thread in question, you falsely accused two posters of having impure motives. It didn't stop there.

You went on to send at least one, if not both of these posters quite scathing PMs (something you have done to other people on this forum). This upset both posters to the extent that they both feared to continue in the discussion and kept out of it. To put it another way, you literally 'bullied' them off your thread for challenging you.

One of these posters is in your list of friends. Luckily for you they are very understanding and they give you plenty of slack. But it could be that over time, should you continue to treat people you consider 'friends' in such a manner, they will grow tired of your behaviour and avoid you.

Commendably, after it had been pointed out to you, you apologised. But would you have apologised if it hadn't been pointed out to you?

If you hadn't said you were sorry to your 'friend', could you blame them had they not wished to be your friend any longer? You would have only had yourself to blame.

Victim mentality only stretches so far, and many on here suspect you play at being one. When people see you are not being as considerate as you require of others, they will be put off.

Make sure this is not happening in your loss of this 'friend'.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Giles Gray

k99-"I guess I meant taking up the mantle of trying to get Kate to provide more reason and logic about why and how she came to her conclusion on guided evolution."

Well that's my pleasure. And thank you for your PM and also quoting my reference were I said 'roll' rather than 'role'. Predictive text is my only excuse.

k99-" I think Coded Logic has finally said what I couldn't be arsed to say and good on him, you, cofty et al for keeping it going."

Yes, but it looks like a case of 'old habbits die hard' as it's back to old ways again I'm afraid. I can't imagine the bruises Coded Logic will acquire, if he continues to hit his head so hard. We need the site owner to provide the facility of warning people that certain threads are 'hard hat' areas.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Giles Gray

k99-" I appreciate you trying to support mine and notsures' line of reasoning..."

I wasn't actually supporting either of you. I wouldn't be so rude as to assume such a roll. Both of you are more than competent at looking after your own affairs.

k99-"...however I am happy that I have got all I going to get from the discussion..."

I'm sure 'honour has been served'.

k99-"... and for me to continue to prod Kate has no positive angles."

Agreed.

k99-" The interesting bit of the discussion now is the debate between Cofty and Kate as it exposes me to the technicalities of a subject I have little real knowledge of."

Yes. I'm very much looking forward to it. But it would be a shame if Kate's false accusation of you and notsurewheretogo were to taint her ability to convey her perspective without the cloud of suspicion as to her true motives.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Giles Gray

KateWild-"Do you remember the poster Viv? Looks like we have a new one lol xx"

Piffle! I am far more courteous. But then again, who says I'm not Viv...??

KateWild-" Thanks Ruby, but this isn't good enough for Giles"

As it was inadequate, no it wasn't.

KateWild-" I apologise for falsely accusing K99 and Notsure of trying to prove me wrong. I shouldn't have accused them. Sorry K99 and Notsure."

Well good for you Kate. I mean that sincerely. I'm impressed. Jolly difficult for someone so feisty.

Thank you for a very interesting thread. Enjoy your weekend.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Giles Gray

KateWild-" Giles, stop being silly and derailing the thread. You're off topic. Read the post above about chemistry and if you can't make a response to the points then don't respond off topic again. I am flagging your post as off topic."

Please by all means flag any of my posts. My points are directly related to your irrational responses to the topic at hand.

Maybe you can cite the post where you do actually apologise for falsely accusing k99 and notsurewheretogo of trying to prove you wrong? Maybe Ruby can?

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Giles Gray

Ruby-"need I go on? she has been reasonable and respectful."

No she hasn't. She hasn't apologised for the points I am refering to. My citations of what she said are after your references.